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ramdi

Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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Schools interested in candidates of age 30 and beyond?
Wed Apr 02, 2008 04:41 AM
Hi friends,
It's a common observation that Business schools all over the world are prefering younger candidates. Admission for aspirants who are in 30 - 35 years category with experience from 6 - 12 years is getting tougher. Actually such students are considered too old for an MBA and too young for an Executive MBA. What do you think is the best solution for such candidates?
Please also mention the schools, you think are interested (or consider actively) in such candidates in US, Europe and Asia.
I am sure a lot of candidates must have felt this way (or would be in the same boat). Hence any observations/feedback/comments in this regard are gratefully welocme.

Thanks and regards,
Ram
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ramdi

Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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Wed Apr 02, 2008 09:04 AM
Lots of views but no comments !!!
Am I the only one to have faced or observed this? :-)

Hi friends,
It's a common observation that Business schools all over the world are prefering younger candidates. Admission for aspirants who are in 30 - 35 years category with experience from 6 - 12 years is getting tougher. Actually such students are considered too old for an MBA and too young for an Executive MBA. What do you think is the best solution for such candidates?
Please also mention the schools, you think are interested (or consider actively) in such candidates in US, Europe and Asia.
I am sure a lot of candidates must have felt this way (or would be in the same boat). Hence any observations/feedback/comments in this regard are gratefully welocme.

Thanks and regards,
Ram
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SingleSpain

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
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Wed Apr 02, 2008 09:36 AM
Hi Ram,

My advice would be to look for a list of target schools and then find the age range of all of them. There are many many B-Schools aorund the world, and if you have a good profile, no matter of age.

For instance, in Europe, IMD has an MBA which is very exclusive and most of the class is around 30s-35s, so you would fit very well. But, of course they are very demanding regarding the quality of the applications.

Which kind of experience do you have? Where are you from? Your GMAT? Your career goals (sector/ geograph)?
These are important questions that you should provide to the forum in order to receive more feedback.

SingleSpain

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ramdi

Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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Wed Apr 02, 2008 01:27 PM
Hi SingleSpain,
Thanks a lot for your reply.
I am in Electronics industry, working for Siemens in Singapore. I have a Masters degree in Electrical Engineering from the top university in India (IIT). My total work experience is 8 years in Electronics indistry and I have worked for Motorla and Philips in the past. The downside is my GMAT score (660) which I may have to take once again and my nationality (India). After all, an Indian, IT male is the most common species in the MBA application pool :-). An age of 32 makes it even worse.
Post-MBA, I want to go into management consulting or corporate strategy ....
Coming to IMD, it does not have lots of seats (just 90) and that means just one or two seats for an Indian (IT & male to top it...). I applied there this year and got a ding. Actually I started this thread only after hearing from them :-( There seem to be very few colleges which entertain applicants in 30+ pool..... I feel I am too old for an MBA but too young for an executive MBA...
What's your suggestion in this regard and the colleges I should target?

Hi Ram,

My advice would be to look for a list of target schools and then find the age range of all of them. There are many many B-Schools aorund the world, and if you have a good profile, no matter of age.

For instance, in Europe, IMD has an MBA which is very exclusive and most of the class is around 30s-35s, so you would fit very well. But, of course they are very demanding regarding the quality of the applications.

Which kind of experience do you have? Where are you from? Your GMAT? Your career goals (sector/ geograph)?
These are important questions that you should provide to the forum in order to receive more feedback.

SingleSpain

[Edited 02 Apr 2008 by ramdi]

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SingleSpain

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
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Wed Apr 02, 2008 04:40 PM
Hello Ram,

your information is very usefull in order to understand your position.
As you mention, your profile is the most common for Indians applicants, but you should higlight your candidature not only for the "facts and numbers" but also for your quality and potential as a future manager.

I would choose a pool of schools, at least 5 (if your target is Europe) as your chances of being accepted are higher. Also note that this year with the Financial Crisis, many people will consider to apply to a B-School than a non-crisis year.

Also, UK Schools, as you may see at their web pages, tend to have a more senior profile.

My preferences in the UK: LBS, Oxford, Cambridge, Crainfield, Manchester.

If you consider Spanish Schools, I may also give some kind of advice (IE, ESADE, IESE).

HEC and RSM are also very good choices.

Regards,

SingleSpain

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ramdi

Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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Thu Apr 03, 2008 04:35 AM
Hi SingleSpain,
Thanks a lot for your prompt feedback.
Even I have realized now that I stand better chances of admission in European schools (rather than US schools). Yes, it's very cometitive this year and I am too late to apply too. My GMAT could also be a handicap for this year so it's better to improve the score again and apply next year...
However, just a few thoughts -
(1) I have been a bit sceptic about spanish schools as my goal is to join in consulting and I have no proficiency in any European languages besides English ;-) I think it would be a must to learn Spanish for a Spanish MBA program and a job in consultancy thereafter.... What do you say?

(2) What's your opinion on INSEAD (may be you forgot to include it in your list)? How do you compare it with HEC?

Thanks once again for your useful inputs!

Hello Ram,

your information is very usefull in order to understand your position.
As you mention, your profile is the most common for Indians applicants, but you should higlight your candidature not only for the "facts and numbers" but also for your quality and potential as a future manager.

I would choose a pool of schools, at least 5 (if your target is Europe) as your chances of being accepted are higher. Also note that this year with the Financial Crisis, many people will consider to apply to a B-School than a non-crisis year.

Also, UK Schools, as you may see at their web pages, tend to have a more senior profile.

My preferences in the UK: LBS, Oxford, Cambridge, Crainfield, Manchester.

If you consider Spanish Schools, I may also give some kind of advice (IE, ESADE, IESE).

HEC and RSM are also very good choices.

Regards,

SingleSpain

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SingleSpain

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
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Thu Apr 03, 2008 09:31 AM
Hi Ramdi,

Yes, is a bit late, but I would try to apply to some of the schools that may give you a good feedback regarding the timing (ask admit com of each school).

Regarding Spanish Schools:
a. Yes, learning Spanish is a must. Many people start from scratch and that's up to you how much you can learn. At least you should have an interest for the language.

b.Consultancy. Few foreign MBAs end working in Spain for consultancy because salaries are lower than in the UK or US and also because consultancies for their Spanish offices tend to hire Spanish people. IESE is the one´s that have more MBAs ending in Consultancy, but is a 2 years program. Esade has also 1 Year which should be good for a profile like you -mid 30s. Then, IE has the International MBA and the Domestic MBA, where the only interesting for you is the International.

Regarding Insead, of course is one of the top in Europe, and very well considered for Consultancy, probably you will find there many MCks or BCGs for their MBA and then they come back to their company. Regarding the comparison with HEC, Insead is the most global of both (for countries like India is more well known) and the alumni has a more extensive presence worldwide than HEC. But HEC has a also a very good reputation and is not very expensive as others.

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ramdi

Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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Fri Apr 04, 2008 03:00 AM
Thanks SingleSpain for the useful insight.

Anyone else to add on to the current discussion? :-)

Hi Ramdi,

Yes, is a bit late, but I would try to apply to some of the schools that may give you a good feedback regarding the timing (ask admit com of each school).

Regarding Spanish Schools:
a. Yes, learning Spanish is a must. Many people start from scratch and that's up to you how much you can learn. At least you should have an interest for the language.

b.Consultancy. Few foreign MBAs end working in Spain for consultancy because salaries are lower than in the UK or US and also because consultancies for their Spanish offices tend to hire Spanish people. IESE is the one´s that have more MBAs ending in Consultancy, but is a 2 years program. Esade has also 1 Year which should be good for a profile like you -mid 30s. Then, IE has the International MBA and the Domestic MBA, where the only interesting for you is the International.

Regarding Insead, of course is one of the top in Europe, and very well considered for Consultancy, probably you will find there many MCks or BCGs for their MBA and then they come back to their company. Regarding the comparison with HEC, Insead is the most global of both (for countries like India is more well known) and the alumni has a more extensive presence worldwide than HEC. But HEC has a also a very good reputation and is not very expensive as others.

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ramdi

Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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Sun Apr 06, 2008 05:35 AM
anybody else? :-)
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a_mukerjee


Joined: 08 Sep 2006
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Sun Apr 06, 2008 03:55 PM
Hi Ramdi,

I am not so sure about your evaluation of that age group. In fact average age varies significantly among the different MBA programs in the world.
What you say might be valid for US schools, because they are not so focussed on students with professional experience. But in Europe several years of work experience are a must to be accepted in good programs, so students tend to be in their end twenties. If you are between 30 and 35 you are likely to be among the older students though.

I think it is also a good age to do an EMBA, if you have the according work experience which qualifies you to be accepted.
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SingleSpain

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Mon Apr 07, 2008 09:54 AM
Regarding EMBA /MBA, I would recommend a fulltime MBA if you want to change your career (as you mentioned). Normally, very few EMBAS are career changes, because is nos very easy working and studying and also thinking in new companies.
Another interesting factor is the 1/2 years program dilema. In the case of the 30s, a 1 year is probably a better decision.




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ramdi

Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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Tue Apr 08, 2008 04:44 AM
Regarding EMBA /MBA, I would recommend a fulltime MBA if you want to change your career (as you mentioned). Normally, very few EMBAS are career changes, because is nos very easy working and studying and also thinking in new companies.
Another interesting factor is the 1/2 years program dilema. In the case of the 30s, a 1 year is probably a better decision.





Hi SingleSpain,
Another question here -
how good are one-year MBAs for career change? Doesn't one miss out on internship opportunities?

Do you have any inklings on 1-year MBA programs in US (especially when they are compared to the ones from Europe)?

Thanks!
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SingleSpain

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Tue Apr 08, 2008 09:14 AM
The 2 Year program is the most suitable kind of MBA for career changes, as you stated, the internship opp is the best opp for a change. Nevertheless, some MBAs have an internship opp also after the 1 year, and then, they are hired fulltime.

In the US, I am not as familiar with the 1 year MBAs. As far as I know, Kellog and Cornell are one year. Both very well considered schools, among top 15 in the US.

Personally, my opinion is that in the mid 30s, the opp cost is too high for a 2 years MBA, so I would prefer for you a 1 year MBA. Checkout HEC MBA wich is the middle - 16 month- and they have also an internships.

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