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IBFAN

Joined: 25 Jun 2007
Posts: 2
HKUST placement prospect
Tue Jun 26, 2007 05:11 AM
Hi guys:

I would sincerely appreciate any informed advice.

I intend to apply for HKUST's MBA program. My backgound is as follows:

Currently working in Australia, originally from China.

Bachelor: GPA 3.7 major: international business (second-tier university in China);
Master: GPA 3.7 major: finance (top-tier university in Australia);
GMAT: will take in October, expect at least 720;
CFA level 3 candidate;
Work experience: five years as university lecturer, with some supervisory duties, one year in Education consultancy.

Could anybody please evaluate my backgound for the chance of being accepted? How likely can I get into HKUST's MBA?

My main concern is that I don't have any experience in Finance before MBA, so if I specialize in Finance at HKUST, do I have a good chance of finding a job in Finance (e,g IB or mutual fund)? How is the placement record of MBAs from HKUST, particularly in the Finance sector?

The other problem is, if I get accepted, I will be 34 years old when finishing the MBA program. At such an age without any pre-MBA experience in Finance, can I successfully make a career change? Is it really difficult?

I wish to work in Asian region, ideally HK, and eventually relocate to Mainland China.

Can anyone who knows more about the program and HK's finance job market give me some suggestions?

Many thanks!
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AnalystNYC

Joined: 26 May 2007
Posts: 33
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Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:44 PM
Hi guys:

I would sincerely appreciate any informed advice.

I intend to apply for HKUST's MBA program. My backgound is as follows:

Currently working in Australia, originally from China.

Bachelor: GPA 3.7 major: international business (second-tier university in China);
Master: GPA 3.7 major: finance (top-tier university in Australia);
GMAT: will take in October, expect at least 720;
CFA level 3 candidate;
Work experience: five years as university lecturer, with some supervisory duties, one year in Education consultancy.

Could anybody please evaluate my backgound for the chance of being accepted? How likely can I get into HKUST's MBA?

My main concern is that I don't have any experience in Finance before MBA, so if I specialize in Finance at HKUST, do I have a good chance of finding a job in Finance (e,g IB or mutual fund)? How is the placement record of MBAs from HKUST, particularly in the Finance sector?

The other problem is, if I get accepted, I will be 34 years old when finishing the MBA program. At such an age without any pre-MBA experience in Finance, can I successfully make a career change? Is it really difficult?

I wish to work in Asian region, ideally HK, and eventually relocate to Mainland China.

Can anyone who knows more about the program and HK's finance job market give me some suggestions?

Many thanks!



level 3 cfa candidate scoring 700+, I would say your chances for acceptance are very good.
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F1Sing

Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Posts: 7
HKUST placement prospect
Tue Jun 26, 2007 02:49 PM
Also interested in placement statistics at HK UST, anyone?
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copernicus


Joined: 25 Mar 2007
Posts: 81
HKUST placement prospect
Tue Jun 26, 2007 07:19 PM
Also interested in placement statistics at HK UST, anyone?


in terms of quality of Finance recruiting nothing beats hk ust in Asia.

link to placements,

mba.ust.hk/ftmba/files/employ_stat.pdf
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IBFAN

Joined: 25 Jun 2007
Posts: 2
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Wed Jun 27, 2007 06:22 AM
Thanks for sharing information guys.

But I am still unsure if I can make a career change at the age of 34, considering the fact that my experience before MBA is purely academic.

Also, I hear that Investment banks tend to hire people under 30, is it true? If I can not make IB, do I have other opportunities, say in Mutual funds or asset management?

Thanks again!
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copernicus


Joined: 25 Mar 2007
Posts: 81
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Wed Jun 27, 2007 01:41 PM
Thanks for sharing information guys.

But I am still unsure if I can make a career change at the age of 34, considering the fact that my experience before MBA is purely academic.

Also, I hear that Investment banks tend to hire people under 30, is it true? If I can not make IB, do I have other opportunities, say in Mutual funds or asset management?

Thanks again!


there are various positions at I-Banks, and actually the fastest growing area in Asia is the PWM private weath management divisions. You would fit in well, as you have worked with people from different backgrounds in your academic career. Asset Management firms don not really care how old their analysts are, you will definitely have a chance there. One area where you might be too old for is trading.

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kit

Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Posts: 12
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Thu Jun 28, 2007 06:50 PM
The average salaries for HKUST MBA grads seem somewhat underwhelming. The highest, around $72k in 2006 for grads employed overseas, is ok but not stellar. I imagine a good number of pre-MBA types are already making that. Granted, that figure applies to those who actually responded to the survey, so it could be higher (or lower for that matter).

One other point is that, according to latest U.S. News/World Report ranking, starting salaries from at least the top 25 or so MBA programs in the U.S. are higher. Salary isn't everything, of course, and the quality of education and experience overseas are valuable in other ways, but it's something to consider.

[Edited 28 Jun 2007 by kit]

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copernicus


Joined: 25 Mar 2007
Posts: 81
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Thu Jun 28, 2007 08:53 PM
The average salaries for HKUST MBA grads seem somewhat underwhelming. The highest, around $72k in 2006 for grads employed overseas, is ok but not stellar. I imagine a good number of pre-MBA types are already making that.


This is key part of the placement report.

"More than two-thirds (69%) of the survey respondents secured jobs in Hong Kong, 17% in Mainland China and the balance (14%) in other parts of Asia and Europe."

So that last 14% for HK UST "overseas" means mostly Singapore, India, Thailand, Japan, etc. When you take $72k usd in those countries that is extremely good!

Very few graduates leave Asia for Europe or US after graduation. They tend to stay for few years to capitalize on Asia.

Thus you can not compare US/Europe placements with those in Asia.

[Edited 28 Jun 2007 by copernicus]

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mbaconsultant

Joined: 28 Jun 2007
Posts: 5
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Fri Jun 29, 2007 01:05 PM
I see a lot of distorted information on this board. HKUST is a good school, but it is not comparable to a global program.

Even if you want to work in HK post-MBA, you should still go to the top global programs. (Without a doubt, INSEAD is one of them.)

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Globetraveler

Joined: 26 May 2007
Posts: 60
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Fri Jun 29, 2007 02:07 PM
I see a lot of distorted information on this board. HKUST is a good school, but it is not comparable to a global program.

Even if you want to work in HK post-MBA, you should still go to the top global programs. (Without a doubt, INSEAD is one of them.)



for a global program you go to top 10 US not INSEAD.

Where do people get the idea of INSEAD being a top global program???Ask around in the US, nobody except their alumni, ever heard of that school.

for Asian MBA you should choose between HK UST (Finance) or CEIBS (general management) depending on your interests.
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mbaconsultant

Joined: 28 Jun 2007
Posts: 5
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Fri Jun 29, 2007 02:56 PM
Obviously, you don't know how MBA recruitment works.

Check the investment banks and consulting firms and ask them where they recruit from.

INSEAD & LBS will get you further in Asia than most US schools. Also, check the salary numbers.

Let's not take a US-centric view of things now....
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Globetraveler

Joined: 26 May 2007
Posts: 60
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Fri Jun 29, 2007 06:00 PM
Obviously, you don't know how MBA recruitment works.

Check the investment banks and consulting firms and ask them where they recruit from.

INSEAD & LBS will get you further in Asia than most US schools. Also, check the salary numbers.

Let's not take a US-centric view of things now....


the only thing thats obvious is that you have never been to Asia and have no idea what you are talking about.

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madhu

Joined: 29 May 2007
Posts: 31
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Fri Jun 29, 2007 07:10 PM

Even if you want to work in HK post-MBA, you should still go to the top global programs. (Without a doubt, INSEAD is one of them.)


you must be insead alumni? certainly not top global school.
here is on Insead,read on..

www.bankersball.com/2006/11/21/insead-the-forgotte…
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mbaconsultant

Joined: 28 Jun 2007
Posts: 5
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Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:35 AM
So you are basing your understanding of a school on 1 article and ignoring the objective evidence that is available out there?

Allow me to enlighten:

Check out Carlyle's team in Asia and look especially closely at the Associates. Which b school grads is the firm hiring from? www.carlyle.com/eng/team/l4-team849.html

Obtain an INSEAD career report and figure out how many grads are going into consulting and investment banking, which are the two industries that are springboards into buy-side careers.

Understand that most banks and consulting firms do global recruiting so it doesn't matter whether you are an MBA student in New York, London or Singapore. You have an equal opportunity to compete so long as the firm recruits at your school.

I am not saying that INSEAD is a household name in Asia. My point is that if you are looking for career advancement opportunities in Asia, it is still important to attend a top global MBA program.

Lastly, allow me to establish my credibility here. I graduated from Stanford and have been living in Asia since 1996. I am fairly familiar with the recruitment process for the financial services (investment banking, private equity & other front office functions) and consulting industries in Asia.



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Globetraveler

Joined: 26 May 2007
Posts: 60
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Sat Jun 30, 2007 01:20 AM

Lastly, allow me to establish my credibility here. I graduated from Stanford and have been living in Asia since 1996. I am fairly familiar with the recruitment process for the financial services (investment banking, private equity & other front office functions) and consulting industries in Asia.



ha, ha, yeah right...
allow me to quote you..

"INSEAD & LBS will get you further in Asia than most US schools. Also, check the salary numbers.
Let's not take a US-centric view of things now...."

yes that surely would be coming out of a Stanford alumni....
next time try to cover your tracks so it makes sense..

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mbaconsultant

Joined: 28 Jun 2007
Posts: 5
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Sat Jun 30, 2007 02:09 AM
I am just telling you the truth.

I can tell you that while Stanford has great name recognition in Asia, reality is that its alumni network is actually pretty weak in the region, especially if you're in the non-tech arena.

Believe what you want to believe. I am just offering an alternative view on things.

If you want to impress people at a cocktail party, Harvard and Stanford will do the trick no doubt. But, I don't think that's what life (or school) is about.
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Globetraveler

Joined: 26 May 2007
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Sat Jun 30, 2007 01:31 PM
I am just telling you the truth.

I can tell you that while Stanford has great name recognition in Asia, reality is that its alumni network is actually pretty weak in the region, especially if you're in the non-tech arena.

Believe what you want to believe. I am just offering an alternative view on things.

If you want to impress people at a cocktail party, Harvard and Stanford will do the trick no doubt. But, I don't think that's what life (or school) is about.


First off all, my hat is off to anyone after Stanford, whether or not you went there thats another story.

Your last paragraph again contradicts your supposed "Stanford" education. However if you truly believe what you said, you would never take INSEAD-Singapore over HK UST, never!



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copernicus


Joined: 25 Mar 2007
Posts: 81
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 08:19 PM
Placement statistics

www.mbacareer.ust.hk/students/employment_highlight…

32% experienced salary increase of over 200%
20% experienced salary increase of 100-200%
24% 50-100%
12% 25-50%

These stats are very impressive! Even at the low end for someone who already made a lot , still up to 50% increase.

[Edited 04 Sep 2007 by Admin]

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madhu

Joined: 29 May 2007
Posts: 31
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Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:27 PM
Placement statistics

www.mbacareer.ust.hk/students/employment_highlight…

32% experienced salary increase of over 200%
20% experienced salary increase of 100-200%
24% 50-100%
12% 25-50%

These stats are very impressive! Even at the low end for someone who already made a lot , still up to 50% increase.



so 50% at least doubled salary after HK UST MBA?
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copernicus


Joined: 25 Mar 2007
Posts: 81
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Fri Jul 13, 2007 02:16 AM
According to this article by eFinancialCareers,
news.efinancialcareers.hk/NEWS_ITEM/newsItemId-107…
the average salary for fresh graduate from top universities securing hedge fund positions is Sinagpore$ 40k, which is about 25.5k USD.

In light of this information, when you look at HK UST placement/salary figures post graduation in Asia, THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.


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MBAsurvivor

Joined: 14 Jul 2007
Posts: 4
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Sun Jul 15, 2007 02:55 PM
I am just telling you the truth.

I can tell you that while Stanford has great name recognition in Asia, reality is that its alumni network is actually pretty weak in the region, especially if you're in the non-tech arena.

Believe what you want to believe. I am just offering an alternative view on things.

If you want to impress people at a cocktail party, Harvard and Stanford will do the trick no doubt. But, I don't think that's what life (or school) is about.


First off all, my hat is off to anyone after Stanford, whether or not you went there thats another story.

Your last paragraph again contradicts your supposed "Stanford" education. However if you truly believe what you said, you would never take INSEAD-Singapore over HK UST, never!





By coincidence I came across this website and also dropped my short opinion about INSEAD and business schools in another thread. My impression is that there are , strangely as it is, fanboys of various business schools here in these various threads. Anyone who attended a decent MBA program (Stanford is VERY decent, although currently at a lower rank in some bizarre ranking lists) will see MBA participants from other decent schools as good pals. Business schools often have a different focus: finance, general management, healthcare...
That's what makes them special for a certain part of interested applicants. I worked on a project at Stanford as junior student. The schools is brilliant. But my focus was more on general management and INSEAD had a better fit. To me! Others will find Stanford a better fit for them. Same with finance. I think Chicago and Columbia have an edge over other schools. However, your time at the MBA program is limited and you never have time to exploit all the different electives. There always are far more electives than you have time. Besides, folks don't know what elective means. At INSEAD e.g. you do "Advanced Corporate finance" and end up reading 800page-thick books and endless case studies all in 8 weeks. Until you get drowned in financial derivaties engineering. In other schools it would be broken down to several less demanding courses (I know that from Columbia).
Concerning alumni, my predecessor's post is right on focus. It depends on the diversity and region of your alumni. US schools have pretty poor alumni representation in Europe and vice versa. Same with Asia. Does it matter? No!!!
Because once you are in the club, you are in. I often attend MBA dinners across the world, often mixed from the top 15 Business schools. Career search of Harvard, Stanford, MIT and INSEAD are mutual services. You can use the Harvard's job list as a stanford or INSEAD student and vice versa.

It doesn't matter which MBA program you attended, if it is one of the top 10 or top 15 you are in the club. You don't have to impress anyone. The MBA rankings are a joke anyway, schools get shuffled up and down every few years, depending on biased criteria. Who cares?
I would rather give top business schools a ranking similar to the Michelin's guide: 5 star, 4 star, etc.
So if you are in a 5 star business school nobody cares which one you attend. With the Hongkong UST I am not sure, it certainly might be an excellent school, without doubt. But I am not sure whether it would even be listed in the Michelin's MBA Guide. Simply, because nobody ever heard that name. Which is the same problem of excellent first-class resaturants in the province, of the beaten Michelin treck...
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copernicus


Joined: 25 Mar 2007
Posts: 81
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Mon Jul 16, 2007 02:31 AM
Lets try to stick to the subject here, and that is placements after HK UST. No need to bring in other schools/continents in this thread.

HK UST placements and careers in Asia post graduation, please.


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F1Sing

Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Posts: 7
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Sat Jul 21, 2007 09:42 PM
According to FT, Kellogg/Hong Kong UST is #1 in Top salaries category.

Link to rankings:
www.ft.com/cms/d02761a0-6041-11db-a716-0000779e234…
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Evan2007

Joined: 06 Apr 2007
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:06 AM
Lets try to stick to the subject here, and that is placements after HK UST. No need to bring in other schools/continents in this thread.


Look who's talking.
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mBa2008

Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Posts: 1
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 04:43 PM
Hello All!

Hong Kong UST is on my short list of schools in Asia.
It should come of no surprise that my primary reason for pursuing an MBA is to work on HK's "Wall Street" I have quant background from top Polish University and would like to work in Asian Derivatives.

Hong Kong UST does seem to have good names present on campus.

ABN AMRO

ACNielsen

Advanced Digital Broadcast

AIA Hong Kong

Airport City Logistics Co., Ltd.

Amerinvest Group

Argyle Street Management Ltd

Arthur D. Little

Asia Cardiovascular Products Ltd

Asia Society Hong Kong Centre

Asian Development Bank

AT Kearny

AXA

Bank of China (HK) Ltd

Bank of China Int'l (BOCI)

Bank of Nova Scotia

Barclays Capital

Barclays Global Investors

BASF

BearingPoint

Bekaert

BNP Paribas

Booz Allen Hamilton

British Petroleum (BP)

BT Global Services

Calyon Corporate and Investment Bank

Capital Eight

China International Capital Corporation Ltd

China Merchants Group

CIBC World Markets

Cisco Systems (HK) Ltd

CITIC Securities

Citigroup

Clariant (China) Ltd.

CLP Holdings Ltd

Credit Suisse HOLT

Cushman & Wakefield Capital Asia Ltd

DBS

Deutsche Bank

eBay Int'l (HK) Ltd

Education First

Emerson Network

Ethos Technologies

Fidelity International

Fimat

Fresenius Medical Care

Fusion Consulting

GE China

GE Money

Getz HK

Givenchy Asia Pacific (LVMH Group)

Global Institute for Tomorrow (GIFT)

Global Payments Inc

Global Sources

Glu Mobile

Goldman Sachs

Good Earth Electric Vehicle Co Ltd

Google China

Grail Research (Member of Monitor Group)

Hay Group

HK Disneyland

HKUST R & D Corporation (Guangzhou) Ltd

Hopewell Holdings Ltd

HSBC Group

HSBC Investment

Hutchison Port Holdings

IBM Global Business Services

ICS Trust

IDS Group

ING

Intel

International Finance Corporation - IFC

ISR Hong Kong (Consulting)

JAFCO Asia

Jebsen

Johnson & Johnson

Johnson Controls Inc.

Johnson Electric

Jovian Financial Communications Ltd

JP Morgan

KPMG

Lafarge Shui-On Cement

Lehman Brothers

LVMH Group

Macquarie

Maxims Group

McCann Worldgroup

McKinsey BTO

Mercer HR Consulting

Merrill Lynch (Asia Pacific) Ltd

Methanex Asia Pacific Ltd

Microsoft HK Ltd

Miramar Group

Monitor Group

Morgan Stanley

MRM Worldwide (McCann Worldgroup)

Calyon Corporate and Investment Bank

Capital Eight

China International Capital Corporation Ltd

China Merchants Group

CIBC World Markets

Cisco Systems (HK) Ltd

CITIC Securities

Citigroup

Clariant (China) Ltd.

CLP Holdings Ltd

Credit Suisse HOLT

Cushman & Wakefield Capital Asia Ltd

DBS

Deutsche Bank

eBay Int'l (HK) Ltd

Education First

Emerson Network

Ethos Technologies

Fidelity International

Fimat

Fresenius Medical Care

Fusion Consulting

GE China

GE Money

Getz HK

Givenchy Asia Pacific (LVMH Group)

Global Institute for Tomorrow (GIFT)

Global Payments Inc

Global Sources

Glu Mobile

Goldman Sachs

Good Earth Electric Vehicle Co Ltd

Google China

Grail Research (Member of Monitor Group)

Hay Group

HK Disneyland

HKUST R & D Corporation (Guangzhou) Ltd

Hopewell Holdings Ltd

HSBC Group

HSBC Investment

Hutchison Port Holdings

IBM Global Business Services

ICS Trust

IDS Group

ING

Intel

International Finance Corporation - IFC

ISR Hong Kong (Consulting)

JAFCO Asia

Jebsen

Johnson & Johnson

Johnson Controls Inc.

Johnson Electric

Jovian Financial Communications Ltd

JP Morgan

KPMG

Lafarge Shui-On Cement

Lehman Brothers

LVMH Group

Macquarie

Maxims Group

McCann Worldgroup

McKinsey BTO

Mercer HR Consulting

Merrill Lynch (Asia Pacific) Ltd

Methanex Asia Pacific Ltd

Microsoft HK Ltd

Miramar Group

Monitor Group

Morgan Stanley

MRM Worldwide (McCann Worldgroup)

Nano-Tex Inc

Newsmith Capital Partners

Noble Group

Nortel

PA Consulting

PCCW

PepsiCo

Philips

Prudential Corporation Asia

Quellos Group LLC

RedPill, Singapore

Ripley

Royal Bank of Scotland

SAC Capital

Signal Media and Communications Holdings Limited

Societe Generale

Spectrum Strategy

Standard Chartered

Star Group Ltd

State Street Asset Management

State Street Global Advisors

SWIFT

Techtronic Industries

The Nielsen Company - BASES

The Stock Exchange of HK Ltd (HKEx)

The United Nations University Office

Towers Perrin

TPG

UBS

Underwriter Laboratories Int'l Ltd

Uniplan

VW, Germany

W.L.Gore & Associates

Watson Wyatt

Woodward Consulting

Does any one have access to information on internships and how they later translated into full time employment? Also is there a time limit of how long European can work in HK after graduation?



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