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ssb16
Joined: 03 Mar 2013
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DL Warwick or Duham
Mon Mar 04, 2013 05:33 PM
Hi Everyone

I have read other posts on here about the two programs but the dates were 2009 and 2010. I probably have not searched hard enough and I apologize ahead of time but I thought I would start my own post and have you all help where you can.

I have been in mgmt for over 14 years in Toronto Canada. My future goal is to become an academic in Toronto. Univerisities in Toronto cost anywhere from 50,000 and up for a good university and you have to go full time or part time. There is one university in Athabasca that does online so it does not require you to leave the workplace.

I don't want to leave the workplace at all, in fact I would like to do my MBA online so that I can continue to get real world experience and obtain my MBA on the side. After that I will look at further education at an institution if I choose to enter the university era.

My options this far

1. Durham - I have admission to the April 2013 DL program already

2. Warwick - I have applied to the July 2013 DL program and am waiting to hear back from them.

I have tossed and turned and I am not down to these two universities. Initially I wanted to go to York in Toronto and do part time but I have opted against it. Cost and also I want to learn something different for a change.

Any guidance from you folks? Online most say Warwick due to rankings, other say with my goal of becoming an academic its better to do Durham

Thanks in advance and look forward to hearing from you all
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saroo
Joined: 15 Jul 2012
Posts: 41
DL Warwick or Duham
Tue Mar 05, 2013 05:17 AM
what are your gools after passing mba
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ssb16
Joined: 03 Mar 2013
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DL Warwick or Duham
Tue Mar 05, 2013 05:25 AM
The goals are as follows

1. Continue to work for about 3-5 years in industry
2. Apply to a college to teach
3. Look for a school to get into doing a phd
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davidsmart
Joined: 15 Aug 2012
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DL Warwick or Duham
Tue Mar 05, 2013 05:31 AM
All in all Warwick is better than Durham, but keeping in view of your goals, the more suitable school between these two is Durham which will make your theoritical and academic foundation very solid.
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ssb16
Joined: 03 Mar 2013
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DL Warwick or Duham
Tue Mar 05, 2013 05:33 AM
Why do you say that Warwick is better and then also say that Durham would be better?

Can you elaborate a little more on this.
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davidsmart
Joined: 15 Aug 2012
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DL Warwick or Duham
Tue Mar 05, 2013 05:37 AM
Warwick is better due to its ranking, reputation, post study outcomes, more practical and list goes on.

Durham is better in your circumstances as you are aiming to be in academia post mba.
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ssb16
Joined: 03 Mar 2013
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DL Warwick or Duham
Tue Mar 05, 2013 05:38 AM
Thanks have you or anyone else done either MBA and what is it like?

I am concerned though that Durham has now fallen out of the top 100 rankings for 2013 as per the financial times.
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saroo
Joined: 15 Jul 2012
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DL Warwick or Duham
Tue Mar 05, 2013 05:47 AM
Thanks have you or anyone else done either MBA and what is it like?

I am concerned though that Durham has now fallen out of the top 100 rankings for 2013 as per the financial times.



wARWICK IS MORE GOOD THAN DURHAM WHATEVER THE GOOL IS
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davidsmart
Joined: 15 Aug 2012
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Tue Mar 05, 2013 05:49 AM
Thanks have you or anyone else done either MBA and what is it like?

I am concerned though that Durham has now fallen out of the top 100 rankings for 2013 as per the financial times.



wARWICK IS MORE GOOD THAN DURHAM WHATEVER THE GOOL IS


I dont disagree to that, all in all Warwick is much better than Durham, but i have already mentioned that Durham will suit to anyone who sees his career in academia.
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JK Duncan

Joined: 18 Apr 2011
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DL Warwick or Duham
Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:06 AM
Don't take an MBA if you want to become an academic. An MBA is a degree in general management, and academics are typically specialists. You need to decide whether you want to be in a teaching oriented institution or a traditional research universty. If it's the former, then with your work experience you can take the AACSB PQ course www.aacsb.edu/bridge/ and then start teaching next semester.

If you want to be an academic in a research university, then you'll need a doctorate. Perhaps find a masters in research in your own country? Speak to academics at universities to see what routes they would recommend.
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davidsmart
Joined: 15 Aug 2012
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DL Warwick or Duham
Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:06 PM
Don't take an MBA if you want to become an academic. An MBA is a degree in general management, and academics are typically specialists. You need to decide whether you want to be in a teaching oriented institution or a traditional research universty. If it's the former, then with your work experience you can take the AACSB PQ course www.aacsb.edu/bridge/ and then start teaching next semester.

If you want to be an academic in a research university, then you'll need a doctorate. Perhaps find a masters in research in your own country? Speak to academics at universities to see what routes they would recommend.


Great advice. Duncan you have been truly helpful to all of us on this forum.
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ssb16
Joined: 03 Mar 2013
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Tue Mar 05, 2013 02:19 PM
That is a great find and one I will look into. I have 6 years of teaching here with CMA's in Toronto yet colleges and universities will not accept me unless I have a phd. The stepping stone is a masters degree and I have been informed that to get an MBA, get more work experience (I have 12 but I am still young) and then move into a college followed by a university.

I personally want to work for the next 3-5 years gaining more "war stories" as we refer to them for the students and then move into a college who will accept me with a MBA. Thereafter I'll work locally on the phd and try to get into the university here.

This is the reason for the MBA as I am a Controller in management and I want to enhance my management experiences first.

The part time option here in Toronto was looking good if not for the hours (challeging going to class when you have month end etc), after class or weekends (when I teach).

Thus online when I can spend the time at home doing it over the next couple of years. Durham was a good choice and then the option of warwick came up.

I'm wondering which one is better and why?
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JK Duncan

Joined: 18 Apr 2011
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Tue Mar 05, 2013 04:42 PM
An MBA is not a stepping stone to a doctorate. I don't understand why it has been recommended to you. Schools that only hire PhDs are not more likely to hire you if you have an MBA. There's a big chasm to cross.

A part-time doctorate could be the same cost and the same time as a part-time MBA. There are some masters programmes in research (like business.queensu.ca/grad_studies/MSC/index.php) which would count towards your PhD studies. I especially recommend the part-time PhD in Finance at Carleton: sprott.carleton.co/our-programs/phd-program/

Many schools will be more likely to hire you if you have *started* a PhD than if you have *completed* an MBA.
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ssb16
Joined: 03 Mar 2013
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DL Warwick or Duham
Tue Mar 05, 2013 04:48 PM
hmm this puts me back a little as I was ready to do my MBA from one of these institutions and then move forward. Full time is challenging for me at the moment. I can only do part time.

Are there any programs like this in Toronto and part time?

For some reason I don't think there are but its worth asking.
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JK Duncan

Joined: 18 Apr 2011
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Tue Mar 05, 2013 05:38 PM
No, but there are many part-time doctorates which can be done either at a distance or though a few on-campus modules. Since you're familiar with Durham University Business School, take a look at its part-time doctorates.

PS Take a look at w03.educationau-incanada.ca/index.aspx?action=prog…

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ssb16
Joined: 03 Mar 2013
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DL Warwick or Duham
Tue Mar 05, 2013 06:49 PM
Thank you for your advise it has been helpful.

I will do some research.

As you have some knowledge of the programs
What type of student is Warwick DL program for?
What about Durham?
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saroo
Joined: 15 Jul 2012
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DL Warwick or Duham
Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:30 AM
Thank you for your advise it has been helpful.

I will do some research.

As you have some knowledge of the programs
What type of student is Warwick DL program for?
What about Durham?


warwick is for practical students durham is for bookish students
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ssb16
Joined: 03 Mar 2013
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DL Warwick or Duham
Wed Mar 06, 2013 03:44 PM
Anyone currently doing either program? I'm interested to know what you are going through?

Thanks
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JK Duncan

Joined: 18 Apr 2011
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DL Warwick or Duham
Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:10 PM
Search the DL discussion board. Dozens of comments about both.
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distance learner
Joined: 30 May 2009
Posts: 9
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Mon May 13, 2013 06:41 PM
I am offered a place in Warwick MBA (distance learning) with a partial scholarship.I also have a 1 year post graduate diploma in urban environmental management, and I am interested to know whether there is any reputed online(happy to have some residencies too!) MBA programs having specialism in environmental management. I am quite impressed about the ranking and prospects of Warwick MBA, but would need to make a decision soon. Any advise would be much appreciated.
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mba hipster

Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Posts: 180
DL Warwick or Duham
Tue May 14, 2013 02:04 PM
There's not really anything online that I can think of which offers a substantial focus in environmental management.

The closest you'll probably get is an online program that also offers a certificate option - but these are usually pretty minor programs, compared to Warwick. I'm thinking of East Carolina University, which offers a certificate in environmental planning, but which also has a much more regionally-oriented alumni base.

UMass Dartmouth also offers an MBA program that can be take online - and has a concentration in environmental policy.

But really, unless you did an in-class program at a ranked school like George Washington (which offers a great concentration in environmental management,) you'll most likely be better served by the more general Warwick online program.
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cvm
Joined: 09 Mar 2012
Posts: 37
DL Warwick or Duham
Tue May 14, 2013 02:37 PM
I also remember that University of Cambridge has a part time Master of Studies in Sustainable Leadership with an important component of environmental management.

[Edited by cvm on 14 May 2013]
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distance learner
Joined: 30 May 2009
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DL Warwick or Duham
Tue May 14, 2013 03:32 PM
Thank you mba hipster and cvm for your kind advise.
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