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chili Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 27	MBA europe Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:34 AM Hey. I am chilien, living in canada, montreal (my french is not so good thought), and i want to do an mba in europe - which country should i go for??
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katalina Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Posts: 108	MBA europe Mon Oct 09, 2006 04:46 PM Hey, If you want to go the easy way: Spain. You'll feel at home because of the language, and you'll have the choice between several good MBA programs. Many Chilians there as well,and Latin Americans in general... But if you want to experience life in a different cultural setting, there are MBAs in English in every country in Europe. Watch out though: England and Scandinavia are quite expensive in terms of living cost. Suerte! kata [Edited 09 Oct 2006 by katalina]
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chili Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 27	MBA europe Wed Oct 11, 2006 01:03 PM Thanks kata, I would prefer to do an MBA in a non Latin country. What you say about living costs in England and Scandinavia is a pity, these were the first ones on my list. I've seen there is a lot about other countries in this discussion board, I willhave a look. Pablo
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katalina Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Posts: 108	MBA europe Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:06 PM Hey Pablo, But you know that it can be hard for a Latin American to live in these Northern countries anyways, do you? Only three months of summer (which we would not even call summer) and then a long long dark and cold winter, be prepared ;) Better have a look at oher countries - France? Italy? Slovenia is a good place I heard as well, kata [Edited 12 Oct 2006 by katalina]
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chili Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 27	MBA europe Fri Oct 13, 2006 02:17 PM hello kata, as i live in canada i am not so afraid of cold dark winters ;) thanks for your ideas - i'm not tempted by italy, france nor spain. but slovenia sounds interesting, i would not have thought about that! cheers, pablo
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eric Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 8	MBA europe Mon Nov 20, 2006 02:46 PM Chili, Slovenia seems a very interesting place to live right now BUT... unfortunately it is difficult to fin an internationally reputed MBA. I've done some research about Balkan MBA programs, there is almost nothing really interesting. There are 2 or 3 Slovenian MBAs
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chili Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 27	MBA europe Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:07 AM I have noticed that that funny situation you have in Europe; there are only some countries where you have the choice between several MBAs which employers all over the world will recognize, means accredited by the important accreditation organizations and appearing in the international rankings, that's France, Spain, UK, Holland. Then in some other countries you'll find only one, Scandinavian countries, Hungary, Switzerland and funny enough: Germany. - and all the others are white spots on the MBA map! Interesting... Be careful guys when you chose!
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Post MBA Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 83	MBA europe Wed May 30, 2007 03:07 PM Many MBA programs will work with you to ensure you can afford the tuition and living expenses. The MBA is a long term investment. Not to be callous, but given the variety financing options available I would rank many other factors including professors, curriculum and global focus above cost. Full Disclosure: I am participating in the FIND MBA board as an excercise to provide an illustration for a segment I am teaching of the course "What the CEO wants you to know" at BMI www.barcelonami.org One of the readings for the segment is www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.04/wired40_ceo.html…… Click on POST MBA for more biographical info. [Edited 28 Jun 2007 by Post MBA]
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a_mukerjee Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 189	MBA europe Wed May 30, 2007 03:39 PM Financing should not be the first criteria, I perfectly agree. Chosing a cheap MBA can make it almost useless experience, if afterwards you don't find a job, because emplyers have never heard of the bschool. But I would be very happy if you could let us know more about the variety of financing options, please! For me, as for many other students, unfortunately finance is a decisive factor, weighing far too much, because we don't have the means (I'm from India). I will appreciate your comments!
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Post MBA Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 83	MBA europe Wed May 30, 2007 03:50 PM Certainly pricing is not the only factor in the quality of a school. I recommend that you contact the business schools you are interested in attending to find out about financing options. Most programs have a specialist on hand as very few MBA students pay for it on their own, in cash. One exception was a friend of mine who previously ran Cisco in South Africa. He never visited the Financial Aid office. Everyone else did. Full Disclosure: I am participating in the FIND MBA board as an excercise to provide an illustration for a segment I am teaching of the course "What the CEO wants you to know" at BMI www.barcelonami.org One of the readings for the segment is www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.04/wired40_ceo.html…… Click on Post MBA for more biographical info. [Edited 28 Jun 2007 by Post MBA]
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Globetraveler Joined: 26 May 2007 Posts: 60	MBA europe Wed May 30, 2007 08:52 PM Hey. I am chilien, living in canada, montreal (my french is not so good thought), and i want to do an mba in europe - which country should i go for?? whats the appeal of doing an MBA in Europe these days?? Take my advice for the future and look in Asia... [Edited 30 May 2007 by Globetraveler]
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a_mukerjee Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 189	MBA europe Thu May 31, 2007 11:53 AM Well, it all depends of what you intend to with it afterwards. And you'll definitely find European MBAs worthwhile doing - some of the European MBAs are very competitive compared to Asian ones, don't you agree?
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Globetraveler Joined: 26 May 2007 Posts: 60	MBA europe Thu May 31, 2007 02:02 PM Well, it all depends of what you intend to with it afterwards. And you'll definitely find European MBAs worthwhile doing - some of the European MBAs are very competitive compared to Asian ones, don't you agree? Yes, LBS and INSEAD, possibly HEC if you are French speaking and looking to utilize that. Oxord and Cambridge are surely nice to have a diploma from, but business wise they have a long long way to go. Iese and IE in Spain I dont get it how come they manage to rank so high, anyways if you ask around the world nobody even heard about them.... I assume that not many people browsing here can get into those schools. So if you are going to do an MBA just for the sake of doing it in Europe, thats stupid. Europe was hot 2 centuries ago, Asia is and continue to be the place to be involved with for the forecoming future. [Edited 31 May 2007 by Globetraveler]
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a_mukerjee Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 189	MBA europe Fri Jun 01, 2007 05:38 PM It's funny, you have this idea about Asia being the place to be, and I really would find it thrilling to live in Europe instead of Mumbai... BTW, most people I know would immediately move outside of Asia, first of all to the States of course, but to Europe too. But there are some very popular places in Asia, such as Singapore etc.
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york Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 75	MBA europe Fri Jun 08, 2007 07:13 AM Europe was hot 2 centuries ago, Asia is and continue to be the place to be involved with for the forecoming future. Europe is not that hot at the moment but its economy is "hotter" than the US economy these days. Eastern Europe with its low wages and quite qualified workers gives the EU economy some extra potential. Of course, Asia is the future simply because there are more than 2 billion "hungry" mostly young people in India and China alone compared to less than 700 million in the US + Europe. However, western global brands still count a lot in Asia and there is no reason to believe that this is going to change in the future. There are no Asian business schools yet that can be compared to Harvard, NYU, Columbia, Penn, Northwestern in the US or ESADE, INSEAD, IESE, LBS, Imperial, Cass. Even as the quality of MBA porgrams in Asia will improve, an MBA from London or New York will always let your CV stand out in the eyes of Asian employers. This may only be true if you are from Asia, If you have received your education in a western country and plan to work for an Asian company in Asia, you should consider an MBA from one of the top business schools in Asia. [Edited 08 Jun 2007 by york]
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JamieO Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 22	MBA europe Fri Jun 08, 2007 01:15 PM I was just on another post about Swiss MBAs and noticed your post here. Its worth remembering that the Swiss (although not EU) economy (esp. around Zurich) is really good at the moment and banks are recruiting lots of MBAs. A nice way into the market could be at one of the top 2 - IMD and St. Gallen. And I can't believe you left IMD off your list of the best in Europe. It is easily better than Esade or Iese. Will see about St. Gallen when they actually get ranked, but FT put IMD at no.1...
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a_mukerjee Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 189	MBA europe Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:25 PM I don't know who left IMD out of the list (which list?), you are right, IMD is one of the best in Europe. That's the general opinion on this board too, IMD was discussed in several threads - check this out www.find-mba.com/board/university/454 [Edited 09 Jun 2007 by a_mukerjee]
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JamieO Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 22	MBA europe Sat Jun 09, 2007 08:59 PM Europe was hot 2 centuries ago, Asia is and continue to be the place to be involved with for the forecoming future. There are no Asian business schools yet that can be compared to Harvard, NYU, Columbia, Penn, Northwestern in the US or ESADE, INSEAD, IESE, LBS, Imperial, Cass. Even as the quality of MBA porgrams in Asia will improve, an MBA from London or New York will always let your CV stand out in the eyes of Asian employers... You're right, I should have quoted the 'list', but it was only in the previous post anyway. I'm not too worried about finding discussion on IMD - they seem to be discussed almost everywhere....!
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El Procastinator Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Posts: 4	MBA europe Tue Jun 19, 2007 02:58 PM Funny to answer such an old topic. Anyways, from my research, here are the top MBAs in Europe: 2 Years: 1) LBS 2) IESE 3) ESADE 4) SDA Bocconi 5) Rotterdam 1 year or equivalent: 1 & 2) Insead/IMD 3 & 4) Cambridge/Oxford (equal but very different...) 5) IE/Esade 1 year (probably very good but very regional also). IE may deserve to be higher than Oxbridge, but it is not as regarded internationally 6) HEC, rising fast but stil very regional. This "ranking" is based on recruiting companies, average post-MBA salaries, international outlook, teacher quality and alumni "support". A note about Esade: it seems to be a very good school. It is the HEC of Spain: very famous undergrad, and probably a very good MBA. But I still got the feeling that the program has "small means" and the hotest of the MBA recruiters (McKinsead, BCG, GS, MS etc) only pick the top of the top of the creme de la creme. Like 4 guys a year. Imagine that! About IE: I hear such conflicting stories. Sometimes it rocks, sometimes it is the pit of doom. I know they have some very good teachers and dedicated students in the 1 year program. About Rotterdam: Not exactly overwhelming. No star teachers (or they fly them in for the lessons), job prospects kinda... well, look at their website. Looks good but not much substance. Insead: nothing to add, actually. IMD: tough to enter - 90 spots, tough program, some tough students. And such tough admissions people! I guess living in Switzerland makes your c*ca smell better. ;-) I'm considering Insead, IMD, IESE and Esade 2 years in Europe; maybe Oxford. Not a career changer, could not care less about MNCs and banking now that I know what I want. What I'm looking for in a program: excellent teachers, very bright and sharp students, a truly international class, and a good environment for my (probably) future wife and (probably) future kid to live in for a year or two. And brand. Perception matters. Not considering LBS because they will ding me. I will be terribly old, as I'm almost 28; and because of sub-par GPA. IESE is a wild card: they want to bring down average age to 27 because Morgan Stanley and McKinsey said so. And, like, students at LBS are, like, so much younger looking! Disclaimer: I look for facts at the source: teachers, current students and alumni, adcom people, school stats, employers' perceptions and stats. MP me if you want. [Edited 19 Jun 2007 by El Procastinator]
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El Procastinator Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Posts: 4	MBA europe Tue Jun 19, 2007 03:08 PM Oh, I forgot to mention ESMT. The future IMD, but made in Germany. Wild card, except if you have actual managerial experience and want to work in Germany.
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a_mukerjee Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 189	MBA europe Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:34 AM Hello El Procastinator, what do you think about TiasNimbas, St. Gallen, and INSEAD? [Edited 20 Jun 2007 by a_mukerjee]
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JamieO Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 22	MBA europe Fri Jun 22, 2007 03:23 PM Oh, I forgot to mention ESMT. The future IMD, but made in Germany. Wild card, except if you have actual managerial experience and want to work in Germany. You can't be serious? I was really impressed by the marketing of ESMT - the website and brochure. I was particularly pleased with the list of corporate founders on their website until I found out that often the corporate founders don't have ESMT on the list of MBA schools to recruit from. The class seem to have a heavy emphasis on Asia. Personally I couldn't see ESMT as a world leading b school. TiasNimba on the other hand. I hadn't heard of them until a couple of months ago, but they look really interesting. Selling an MBA made by Bradford, but with a fresh European setting looks quite attractive. St. Gallen I am applying to for 2008, so enough said. One visit to the school sold it to me.
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copernicus Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 81	MBA europe Fri Jun 22, 2007 03:45 PM blockquote> There are no Asian business schools yet that can be compared to Harvard, NYU, Columbia, Penn, Northwestern in the US or ESADE, INSEAD, IESE, LBS, Imperial, Cass. . The US schools you mentioned and LBS i agree with 100%. However ESADE, IESE, INSEAD, -- HONG KONG UST- is a better school already, (Finance/Accounting) Esade and Iese spend enormous $$ on marketing, sole reason for high rankings, if you ask outside of Europe, no one "heard of them. " As for INSEAD they are the epitome of branding, school sucks they they keep spending $$ and posing as a "global school" Here is a relevant discussion on INSEAD vs Asia. www.find-mba.com/board/4345 Imperial and Cass ?? there are several Asian schools better than those two.. Outside of the city of London nobody ever heard of them.
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jaitego Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 141	MBA europe Fri Jun 22, 2007 04:52 PM I agree with copernicus on this one. If you look at the field of finance and accounting, HKUST is well ahead of ESADE, IESE, INSEAD, Imperial and Cass, at least as far as the quality of the faculty is concerned. It will probably take some time to HKUST to become "famous", but its finance faculty is outstanding. I didn't know about HKUST myself and I was quite surprised when I looked at their finance department web page. [Edited 22 Jun 2007 by jaitego]
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copernicus Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 81	MBA europe Fri Jun 22, 2007 05:33 PM I agree with copernicus on this one. If you look at the field of finance and accounting, HKUST is well ahead of ESADE, IESE, INSEAD, Imperial and Cass, at least as far as the quality of the faculty is concerned. It will probably take some time to HKUST to become "famous", but its finance faculty is outstanding. I didn't know about HKUST myself and I was quite surprised when I looked at their finance department web page. Accounting is also excellent at HK UST, top 10 in the WORLD quoting" In 1999, HKUST became the first accounting program outside North America to win accreditation from AACSB, the premier accrediting agency for business schools. In 2003, HKUST became the first outside North America awarded a chapter of Beta Alpha Psi, the world's premier accounting honorary. In two recent years, HKUST topped the world in original research published in leading research journals. In 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004 and 2005, HKUST ranked "Top 10" in the top three journals (Journal of Accounting and Economics, Journal of Accounting Research, The Accounting Review), a record unexcelled by any university worldwide" www.bm.ust.hk/~acct/ One can make the case about European vs Asian schools the same way you could for Oxbridge vs top american schools 50 years ago. 98 out of 100 would have chosen Oxbridge back then, i am talking about all disciplines (back then oxbridge did not teach business). Now its the other way around, maybe not 98 out of 100 but definitely the edge has shifted to the US. I dont know about you guys but I see another shift coming, as there is more and more $$ available for research in Asia, and local talent will be staying home.....
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