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suzywong Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Posts: 14	Scandinavian programs Tue Oct 03, 2006 01:02 AM Who can help? I am looking for an MBA in Scandinavia. Probabely in Marketing. thx
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york Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 75	Scandinavian programs Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:14 PM Högskolan i Gävle (Sweden) has an MBA in marketing. No idea about the quality of the programme though.
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suzywong Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Posts: 14	Scandinavian programs Fri Oct 06, 2006 09:25 AM Thank you York. But actually in the meantime I've changed my plan, and I want to go for a more general education. Maybe just a regular MBA, or something like international business. Which schools can you advise? [Edited 06 Oct 2006 by suzywong]
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eric Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 8	Scandinavian programs Sat Oct 07, 2006 09:37 AM Hello, If you are looking for top schools, that is the ones: - NHH in Norway - Copenhagen Business School - Stockholm School of Economics Eric
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chili Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 27	Scandinavian programs Wed Oct 11, 2006 01:10 PM Hey Eric, do you have information about other Scandinavian schools as well, besides these three top ones? I have heard that living costs are quite above the average in Scandianvia,do you have an idea maybe how I could find sponsorhips, grants or something like that? Thanks, Pablo
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suzywong Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Posts: 14	Scandinavian programs Mon Nov 06, 2006 02:14 PM You better secure financing of your MBA in Scandinavia, otherwise its tough. As for schools, I've been looking around and for me it sounds like a good idea to stick to these top schools. Don't you agree? I mean, you make the effort to come over to Europe, spend a lot of time and money to do your degree, you better go to a school people in Canada have heard about..
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bullen Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Posts: 4	Scandinavian programs Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:07 PM hi there, I am planning to do part-time International MBA in Scandinavia(especially in Sweden). Could anyone give me some information about these countries.How many hours can I work in a week? and how much money can I earn? Will this money afford my Part-time MBA.And finally which school must I select?(when you compare prices and education which schools are good to become an International MBA student)
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suzywong Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Posts: 14	Scandinavian programs Thu Dec 07, 2006 07:46 AM The best school in Sweden is: The Stockholm School of Economics. They don't offer any part time MBA, but maybe you have the profile for their scholarships? That are the following: - Candidates from transition and developing economies - Female candidates - Candidates with exceptional business experience - Candidates with very strong academic records or from an underrepresented area that would benefit the program Look at their site: ssemba.sse.edu/text.asp?pageID=47
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bullen Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Posts: 4	Scandinavian programs Thu Dec 07, 2006 03:52 PM --Thank you for reply...nowadays I am thinking an alternative country such as Ukraine or Russia...But I am still interested in SSE MBA ...Thank you again...I will do my Mba in 2009 coz My school will finish in 2008 that means I have much time to apply for...
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suzywong Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Posts: 14	Scandinavian programs Sat Dec 16, 2006 03:08 PM Russia and Ukraine is a very different setting than Sweden. Why are you considering to do an MBA there? For me personally if i had to chose between Sweden and those two countries, there would not be any doubt. In terms of quality of studies Sweden is definitely another league, or did you find any Ukrainian/RUssian b-school in international rankings? If so, let me know! Besides, culturally Sweden sounds more ...I don't know how to put it - pleasant, cozy ;) - but that's of course very subjective Suzy [Edited 16 Dec 2006 by suzywong]
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paolo Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 1	Scandinavian programs Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:51 AM Hi suzywong. What you think about CBS or SSE? What's the best for you? And do you think CBS is comparable to bschool like Insead or IESE? Thank, Paolo
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chili Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 27	Scandinavian programs Tue Mar 06, 2007 06:33 PM Well, CBS is ranked internationally, it's a very good school. But the other two are just top level. Insead is n° 7 and IESE n°16 in the FT Global MBA ranking whereas you'll find CBS only in the European ranking, long time after those 2 above. Anyways, it's no mistake to study at CBS, same goes for SSE. Good luck!
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suzywong Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Posts: 14	Scandinavian programs Wed Mar 07, 2007 01:21 PM I would say that SSE is Sweden's Insead, for CBS in DK it's the same. So if you have a certain reason to chose Denmark or Sweden as location for your MBA studies, thoses 2 schools are the ones. Insead and IESE are still better, but anyways they are among the handful of best schools worldwide.
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KapiliE Joined: 14 Mar 2007 Posts: 18	Scandinavian programs Thu Mar 22, 2007 01:43 PM Hey Ladies and Gentlemen, What about studying in german. I here it's tuition free. Which business schools are there(their sites and/or addresses) Kindly confirm and comment. How is the international standing of The Hague University of Netherlands, I have been admited there. It is relatively reasonable in cost
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a_mukerjee Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 189	Scandinavian programs Thu Mar 29, 2007 01:41 PM Well not exactly true - doing an MBA in Germany is not tuition free! You'll find some cheap programs though, compared to other countries. But be aware: that is not the case fo all German MBAs, for a very good program you'll have to spend the same money as elsewhere.
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norayue Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 1	Scandinavian programs Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:02 AM Hi, any idea about MBA program in Stockholm U, Business school?
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david7685 Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Posts: 4	Scandinavian programs Sun Jan 13, 2008 06:14 PM I find the SSE really interesting, but it seems that it does not appear in any of the rankings I've read lately (The Economist, Forbes, etc) ... in which rankings doest it appear?
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suzywong Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Posts: 14	Scandinavian programs Tue Jan 15, 2008 03:53 PM Hi David, I was surprised about your comment because I was convinced that SSE was ranked, thats what I remembered from my researches. So I checked, in fact the SSE MBA does not seem to be in the relevant international rankings, but their EMBA is ranked in the FT ranking. I did not look up other EMBA rankings. Also SSE is ranked as a school in the FT European B school ranking: rankings.ft.com/european-business-school-rankings Hope that helps, Suzy
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SingleSpain Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Posts: 98	Scandinavian programs Tue Jan 15, 2008 04:11 PM People please, give up about rankings, more serious concerns the future of the SSE MBA: Stockholm class seeks amends By Della Bradshaw, FT.com site Published: Dec 09, 2007 Students on the full-time MBA programme at Sweden's Stockholm School of Economics are seeking financial compensation following a decision by the school's board that it will not recruit a new class next year. Many of the 28 students on the one-year MBA believe the decision, taken on November 27, effectively terminates the programme, just three years after it opened in 2004. However, at the next board meeting in March the future of the full-time MBA will be revisited, says Peter Hägglund, chief executive of IFL, the executive education arm of SSE. The latest announcements only add to the confusion surrounding SSE's MBA programme. Early last month, reports appeared in the Swedish press saying the MBA programme would be terminated. Then in mid-November Lars Bergman, president of SSE, told the Financial Times that the programme would continue in 2008, but would be redesigned. The school says its full-time MBA programme is a casualty of the Swedish government's implementation of the Bologna accord, the European Union-backed initiative intended to harmonise degree formats across Europe. In Sweden the new regulations, which became effective on July 1, require all masters degrees to be two years in length and - perhaps more significantly - to be offered free of charge to students from the EU. However, it will be illegal only to charge fees to individual participants. It will still be legal to charge fees for programmes where the students are company-sponsored - SSE's executive MBAs for example. When the SSE board meets in March it is expected to propose a different type of degree, which will be two years in length and may be aimed at younger students. In countries such as France, which has also opted to make masters degrees two years in length, MBA degrees are not included in the ruling. Indeed many French business schools offer one-year MBA degrees alongside their two-year masters programmes. The students on SSE's MBA cohort delivered a letter to the school on November 30 asking for compensation for the programme closure. This is expected to include reimbursement of their fees plus expenses for moving house and so on. Although the class of 2008 will complete the programme, they are concerned that the degree's value and reputation will be damaged. As well as the wrath of the students, SSE officials will also have to explain their position to the programme's alumni and others, such as industrial mentors. One of the innovative features of the full-time MBA in Stockholm has been that students are mentored by Swedish business leaders, such as Jacob Wallenberg of the banking group SEB.
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david7685 Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Posts: 4	Scandinavian programs Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:20 AM >In Sweden the new regulations, which became effective on >July 1, require all masters degrees to be two years in length >and - perhaps more significantly - to be offered free of >charge to students from the EU Now that certainly makes it impossible for any private school to survive! Plus, they are forcing them to change the duration of their program to two years? Bureaucrats! David
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suzywong Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Posts: 14	Scandinavian programs Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:34 AM I don't believe this, how blind politics can be? An MBA program can not be compared to a regular masters degree, it is something completely different, targeting youg professionals who want to invest in their career, and look for a highly specialized progamme worth a lot of money. If in Europe MBAs will be treated the same way as master programmes, and first of all not be allowed to cover the costs of a high profile study programme with according fees, this is the end of all the prestigious European business schools. But apparently there is room for different interpretations in this Bologna agreement, as the ex. of France shows. We can just hope that Swedish politicians will soon understand that their decision is based on ignorance and that maybe they should try to be more informed about th idea of MBA. It would be such a pity for the promising, internationally recognised SSE programs.
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lukeh Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 374	Scandinavian programs Thu Jan 17, 2008 07:09 PM Whilst I understand all of the points made by all of the contributors above, and whilst I sympathise with those students who feel their degrees are devalued by the changes which are being enforced, I nevertheless think there are a couple of issues which have so far been overlooked. I'm no apologist for the Bologna accord, but I don't agree that high quality degrees and public funding are mutually exclusive. As for aiming to recruit a younger student base - I don't see (a) how that is in itself a bad thing, and (b) why that should necessarily pose a threat to those with more 'real world' experience who wish to pursue an MBA. Abolishing fees certainly poses a number of problems - chief among them over-subscription - but it also makes MBAs far more accessible to those not already in a position to pay big money. And that, surely, is to be welcomed both as a sign of increased equality of opportunity and as inviting greater competition, and potentially higher standards, amongst applicants.
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suzywong Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Posts: 14	Scandinavian programs Fri Jan 18, 2008 09:54 PM I don't want to say anything against public funding of MBA programs, an MBA can be of good quality and cheaper than elsewhere in this case. Like in Germany for instance. But this is more a question concerning the educational system, in some countries education is more subsidised than in others. The problem of SSE does not lie here I'm afraid. If there was enough public funding to secure the same quality of the SSE MBA as when they charged a high fee, meaning that the same budget is spent for attracting/keeping good professors etc as when SSE was not free, they would not need to close the program, right? Obviously no public money comes to replace the fees, thus the program stops. The outcome of the Swedish implementation of this accord is that only students financially backed by companies will be able to do an MBA, I don't see much of equality of chances left, MBA becomes totally elitist. [Edited 18 Jan 2008 by suzywong]
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lukeh Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 374	Scandinavian programs Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:28 PM Absolutely, I completely agree. Not being familiar with the ins- and outs- of the situation at SSE I was - optimistically/naively, I admit - assuming that the Swedish government would have contingency measures in place to compensate for any shortfall in funding. Perhaps the most perverse thing about Bologna is that so much of it seems to assume that the British model for tertiary education deserves, at least in its more standardised aspects, to be replicated everywhere. Anyone who has spent any time in full-time education at a UK university will testify to the fact that our system not only fails increasing numbers of students, but it also contributes to the decline of standards. It also makes it harder and harder for students of more limited (ie normal) means to pursue their education as far as they can without either corporate sponsorship or very wealthy parents. Britain is on a fast-track to having comparatively few genuinely top-class universities and a great many middle-of-the-road degree factories. Those that do wish to maintain standards - such as Oxford, Cambridge, some of the London schools and a handful of others - will be forced to secceed from government in an attempt maintain even a measure of independence and avoid state-imposed limits on how they can raise and spend their own money. The net result will be that government refuses to fund such places at all, and they in turn will go entirely private, charging fees which few will be able to afford. In which case we might as well pretend the expansion of higher education which took place in the 1960s and '70s never happpened, and give in to the idea that education is only for those born into wealth. Here endeth the rant.
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