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SingleSpain

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
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Tue Jul 10, 2007 09:38 AM
He could be working for them or be a MBA student...., but as soon as he start skiping key cuestions then we do not need anymore for saying that.
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LP


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Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:41 AM
Dear SingleSpain and Pedro,

It suffices to read my posts to see that I always try to give information to back my opinions, and that I speak well of many programs, not only Carlos III. I encourage you to do the same thing. Opinions without information are not very useful. I find it better when people give their opinions and explain the reasons for what they say.

I've said several times that the MBA programs that I like the most are the top programs in the US. Because these are two-year programs, they give you a chance to specialize in the areas that you like the most or where you have more weaknesses. In addition, they have extremely good and devoted faculty, which I think is a must.

I've also said that, within Spain, the top MBA programs are IESE, ESADE, and Instituto de Empresa. I know less about EADA, but it seems like a very good program too. Having said that, Carlos III is also accredited (like these other four schools) and therefore must be a serious program. There are only 5 accredited programs in Spain and Carlos III is one of them, so it must be better than other Spanish programs that are not accredited. I think everyone can understand that.

I don't know why it makes you so upset that I highlight some positive things about Carlos III, but it doesn't upset you that I speak well of other programs. In any case, if you disagree with me, you should explain why.

[Edited by LP on 10 Jul 2007]
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SingleSpain

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Tue Jul 10, 2007 03:07 PM
Jaitego,

There are 3 or more international bodies for MBAS acreditations, and Carlos III is acredited by only one of them, while the other Spanish MBAS are accredited by three of them. So, even your main argumentation that you repeat in every message has its weakeness.

So, please, be more precise, and give us more arguments in favour of Carlos III, which is a an extension of a Public Spanish University, not even a business school. Eoi, Eada, EAe, Deusto, are better places that Carlos III for an MBA.
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LP


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Tue Jul 10, 2007 03:37 PM
SingleSpain

I don't think that there is such a big difference between one, two, or three international accreditations. For example, almost all US schools have one accreditation only. Accrediting bodies have very similar requirements, and once a school has obtained a particular accreditation, it can usually go on without problems and obtain the other ones. Schools not always do it, though. If you want another example, take IESE, which is an excellent program but is not AACSB accredited. Unlike you, I would never say that it is worse than IE, which has more accreditations. In fact, I like IESE more than IE.

I'm not here to give arguments in favor of Carlos III. I've just corrected your posts when I thought they were not accurate. For some reason, you don't like that program, which is Ok as long as the arguments you give are reasonable. I wouldn't write so much about Carlos III if you didn't say such inaccurate things about it.

I won't argue with you on the public ownership statement. I've already told you what I thought.
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SingleSpain

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Tue Jul 10, 2007 04:22 PM
This is a public forum, a place where we can discuss, so I dont' go private with you. If you have something to say, do it here, or shut up.

I speak very clear, and I give reasonable arguments such as the lack of networking, the non -exsiting top tier recruiters, or the lack of prestige of this MBA among the business community in Spain or in Europe. In contrast, you do not provide any intelligent pros (we are still waiting for them).
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LaVoz de Galicia


Joined: 13 Dec 2005
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Carlos III
Tue Jul 10, 2007 07:00 PM
It's true that there may be some people in this board who try to push a specific MBA program for whatever reasons. However, I do not have the impression jaitego is one of these users. Just to the contrary I always found his posts well-balanced and interesting to read.

About Carlos III: I do not have any personal experience with that program and I had not heard about it before I read some of the posts on this website. Still I think seems to be a solid program. One fact that allows me to draw this conclusion is that ESCP-EAP (which is triple acctedited) has chosen it as its partner program in Spain. This is what ESCP-EAP says about this partnership:

"ESCP-EAP and Madrid's Carlos III University recently signed a five-year partnership agreement to encourage closer co-operation between the faculty and students of both institutions. A key component of the agreement is the creation of a joint Research Centre dedicated to the study of European economies and business practices. Founded in 1989 Carlos III is Madrid's youngest public university and with 25,000 registered students one of the three largest in the capital region. It hosts faculties of economics, business, law and engineering. The university has a reputation for its closeness to industry and its international activities."

www.escp-eap.net/newsletter/eng/template.php?desig…

Now calm down everybody and be happy that there are more than just a few good MBA programs to choose from.

[Edited by LaVoz de Galicia on 10 Jul 2007]
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SingleSpain

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Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:51 AM

Charles,

If you don't think that Jaitego has a bias towards Carlos III, please review again his lasts posts.

Should we say that Carlos III is the best MBA in Spain, and a promise top 30 in the world?

Maybe, according to Jaitego, we can say yes, based on the American research aproach that Calors III is also hiring the best US teachers from Harvard and Wharton, and makes the other schools very far away from the excelence of Carlos III.
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Mario

Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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Scholarship
Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:30 PM
There are interesting scholasrship in Barcelona with EADA and in Madrid with IE, a friend of mine has been offered some interesting ones during the selection process, ask the admission department of both.

Regards
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ilay

Joined: 12 Aug 2007
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ub
Mon Aug 13, 2007 09:28 AM
Hi everyone ,
ı am ilay from turkey
I am looking for a masters degree program ( esp MBA and marketing) in barcelona.
does anyone have any idea about Universitat de Barcelona.
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Mario

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Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:14 AM
Universitat de Barcelona is really good fo undergraduate degrees, has lots of fields and excelent profesors, but for MBA and business Msters, look at the experts in Barcelona,IESE ESADE and EADA or in Madrid in IE they offer excelent masters
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Pratick

Joined: 29 Nov 2007
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Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:37 PM
Hi,
I am writing from India, I am really interested in studying in Barcelona and I have seen that EADA is rising a lot in the Rankings now been 87th in teh Economist one, it looks like a good option. i have seen lots of debate about this school but it looks that no former alumni have written on their experience. Is someone keen on giving me some feedback?

Sincerely
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Mario

Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:08 PM
Pratick,
There are some hundreds of posts in this forum about spanish business school, just take your time and you will find lots of information
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James

Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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Test
Fri Mar 07, 2008 07:27 AM
Since i have noticed that new forum windows are open on an issue which has been widely described (EADA in this specific case) I recall to this forum old windows to answer that the EADA test online are based on numerical and verbal skills and are a cheap option to the GMAT, but still consider that if you do not do the test yourself the shool does random checks along the year and more important, if you then do not have the verbal and numerical level to follow the MBA they will take you out of the MBA and reimburse part of the fee. Which has already happened.
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Platon

Joined: 27 Apr 2008
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Mon Apr 28, 2008 09:34 PM
Cool James and Mario,

I have read the other posts and looks clear the test issue.
BNut I don not care now, I have already been admitted to EADA which is my first option because of the programme length, the price and location, but I am also into IE, Machester Business School & Hult.
The nextstep is the job. I have been in touch with a spanish lawyer and she told me that the government is delivering the working permit quicklier, but you still need to have a company sponsoring you.
The question is, having an MBA does it make a difference in Spain/Barcelona job wise?
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lukeh
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
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Thu May 01, 2008 11:43 AM
I'm sure it does.
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joao

Joined: 30 May 2008
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Sat May 31, 2008 11:55 AM
A good MBA is now one of the best tool to increase your effectiveness in a work environment. This is not a news.
What you should know about MBA is that it also improves your personal effectiveness, and this applies to your lifestyle and probably to face complex situation like finding a job in a foreign country being a "sans papier".

If you are able to use the skills you have been taught in a good MBA you will succed in finding a job anywhere, because you have not surrendered and you have maintained you focus and vision

Good luck
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dany

Joined: 10 May 2008
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Sat Jun 07, 2008 05:14 PM
can anyone please tell me about the work permit granted for international students after graduating from a spanish MBA programme? like in the UK where new scheme about to emerge from july onwards work permit for 2 yrs
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apoorva

Joined: 06 Jun 2008
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EADA, Barcelona
Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:19 PM
well after seeing so much of discussion going on i felt this probably was the right place for my queries. speaking as a matter of fact i actually do not even stand up to you guys as Im still a student of computer science and engineering in India. but since its been my dream and passion to obtain my MBA here goes a few of my doubts
1.since i come from a country like India where income is not exactly a handsome one, I obviously find the MBA cost in USA and UK much more costlier compared to Spain. but are these MBAs internationally recognized as i don't plan to be employed in Europe for a long time and would like to return to my country?
2.due to some personal reasons i would like to apply for an MBA immediately as i finish my graduation (without any work experience). Do i stand a chance to get selected?
3.If not for Spain, where else in Europe is good option for MBA(the school) given fact that my living has to be affordable and since MBA is once in life investment, the school i take up should have a globally recognized program and a ranked school.
well, i hope my queries are not too childish for this forum :). hope a few of you can chip in for some help.thank u in advance
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heise

Joined: 12 Jul 2008
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EADA, Barcelona
Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:03 AM
Difficult that a seriuos business school admits students without minimum 3 years of work experience. There is a reason, in a case methodology based MBA what is the discussion about if none has ever worked?

Anyway now many european business schools are going to India, the same EADA has organised a week in the IIM of Bangalore just to explain to the students the importanc of that part of the owrld and also to get known by the local companies

Take your time before starting the MBA if you really want to learn.
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apoorva

Joined: 06 Jun 2008
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EADA, Barcelona
Sun Jul 13, 2008 07:56 AM
actually i got in contact with the EADA, They offered me into a course called Master of Management.how ever i am really clueless about the course and stuff. Is there anybody currently persuing the course? or with more information about the course as to what form the curriculum of the course and the the scope of the course. Can u please help me?
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lukeh
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
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Sun Jul 13, 2008 01:45 PM
I would look here first:

www.find-mba.com/university/1509/escuela-de-alta-d…
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campaw

Joined: 29 Jul 2008
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EADA in Berkeley
Wed Jul 30, 2008 07:53 AM
Hi,

I was reading on the Eada web that in 2009 they plan a week for free in Berkeley for all the EADA Alumni and in 2008 in IIMB in Bangalore, someone has been there? What is it about?
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bcrfan

Joined: 01 Sep 2008
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bbs? bmi? eada....
Tue Sep 02, 2008 02:34 AM
ok, bbs? bmi? why on earth would you go to either one of these universities? and more so even consider them?

Besides lacking in local, national, and international reputation, being new, and uncredited, I'd be willing to wager that the only job you'll get post graduation is working for BC'Neta washing up the streets. Seriously people, an education is an investment, 55k€ is not that much money for ESADE nor is 68k€ for IESE considering your ROI. I'm not sure what IE costs, but those three are about the only programmes worth attending in Spain.

I know people from EADA, and quite frankly the quality of the students there, while all being very nice people, intellectually, sub par. I'm not trying to insult, it's just my own personal experience.

Notwithstanding, in today's global economy you'll be competing with people from INSEAD, IMD, HBS, Tuck, etc... for that global rotational position at B'clays, McK or BCG, and quite frankly I'd be surprised if you even get called up for an interview after even an EADA, and more so those other two. Furthermore, I would even go so far as to say that if you don't go to a top tier programme, you may as well climb the corporate ladder, or get a masters in something as an MBA from even a tier 2 programme won't add much if any umph to your career progression, not to mention the op. cost of a year/2 out of the labour market.

Hope that helps. Have fun!
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Paidos

Joined: 02 Sep 2008
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people
Wed Sep 03, 2008 01:03 AM
Bcrfan,

You probably know two people from EADA and you generalise to the all group.

I also know idiots from EADA, but also from IESE, ESADE, BBS or EAE.

I know people from IESE that have a small estate agency or that are unemployed, I know people from ESADE working in middle companies with a middle management job. If you want to express a global point of view you must be informed on what you are saying and not just be judgemental. If you do not like EADA it is fine, but the school in spain are 4 not 3 any more, since EADA also being in the top 100 in the world when there are 1000 MBAs or more competing is a very, very good result.

Then former class mates of mine working in top consulting companies, in government or in multinational around the world. I am proud of my EADA MBA as much I am proud my friend from IESE having reached great positions
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a_mukerjee


Joined: 08 Sep 2006
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Wed Sep 10, 2008 08:09 PM
Hi Paidos,

I am curious about your experience in EADA, it is always valuable to have first hand info.

Obviously you are satisfied with your studies and appreciated what the school offers. Can you give some details?
For instance how was the composition of classes - IE we know that it has a completely international appeal, but for EADA I was never sure if the MBA is really international, or more suitable for students planning their career in Spanish speaking parts of the world.

The other question concerns job prospects. You give some examples, but could you specify for what kind of jobs an EADA would be specially helpful? What is the strength of the school in content? And finally, what can you say about the career center of the school, networking etc?

I am very much looking forward to your answers, thanks in advance!

Attiya
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