http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096 en How to spot a vanity credential - FIND MBA Discussion Board Tue, 06 Dec 2011 12:30:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#23096 There's a PDF of the certificate on the website! http://executive.mit.edu/executivecertificates/management/?cid=tw_mlec_nov11 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 14:06:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#23122 Duncan, I thought it is a great 2-5 days exec programme! Being a techie, I liked this .. http://executive.mit.edu/openenrollment/program/managing_technical_professionals_and_organizations/24 Is it not worth $3000? MIT brand.. Wed, 07 Dec 2011 14:28:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#23124 This is worth spending on- alumni status! http://web.mit.edu/professional/advanced-study/ Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:00:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#23137 Duncan, Is this one a vanity programme as well? http://www.som.cranfield.ac.uk/som/p13750/Programmes-and-Executive-Development/OEP-Home/Programmes/Leadership/Cranfield-IT-leadership-Programme Thanks. Fri, 09 Dec 2011 14:10:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#23140 I wouldn't say so: no certificate, after all ;-) Fri, 09 Dec 2011 14:18:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#23141 George... for only 95000$ you can have this online :-) http://sdm.mit.edu/ Fri, 09 Dec 2011 20:14:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#23143 How about this Advanced Masters (certificate) from Tulane? Only $5K! http://www.tulaneu.com/online-certificate-programs/advanced-master-certificates.aspx PS Hilarious! These are "for credit" on line courses, but even Tulane itself does not accept the credits! http://www.tulaneu.com/faq/#faq-4440 Fri, 09 Dec 2011 20:26:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#23145 well.,.. Tulane is not as fashion as MIT ... :-) Duncan, are there in Europe programs similar to http://lgo.mit.edu/ ? Fri, 09 Dec 2011 20:40:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#23147 That's the former "Leaders for Manufacturing" programme, which was part of the Cambridge-MIT deal. Look at http://www.ifm.eng.cam.ac.uk/ and the Zaragoza-MIT partnership. Sat, 10 Dec 2011 11:37:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#23158 thank you By the way i don't understand how Zaragoza can offer a dual degree with IE or EBS. It's like to sell Gucci and an unknown brand in the same shop... Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:00:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#23171 I recently had chance to participate in an executives event in London. I used the chance to test the credibility of various schools by casual chat with senior exec people - mostly Brits. My finding are really interesting .. 1. People have no clue of what MIT means 2. Business school means to them is LBS and HBS 3. Top university means to them is Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, Imperial, UCL, Durham, St Andrews, Edinburgh. 4. Nearly none of them have a masters degree let alone MBA. 5. Very few have attended some short exec courses at LBS/CASS 5. The one's who have MBA have a great respect for LBS and Cranfield 6. Networking - "The single most skill" used in their success at every stage. Wed, 14 Dec 2011 03:44:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#23182 Well, all I can draw from your story is that misinformation or stupidity does not help at all and so we should go our own ways and not drag ourselves down to misinformation Fri, 16 Dec 2011 02:02:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#23227 I have no plan to start a "mine is bigger than yours" war. I was just surprised to hear a school that I admired from secondary school was unknown to few execs this side of Atlantic. It is just a view from the section of exec's that I spoke to. I get the chance of getting close to the execs in the square mile, not many would get it or willing got share the "secrets of the senior guys". As you think it looks strange and misinformation but try speaking to a few and you will understand how less informed they are. I have no intention of spreading any misinformation or promoting ideas here. The intention was to get views from different people and share experiences - well, that is the whole idea of a forum, isn't it? If I want to sell an idea/product I would use different powerful media. Mon, 19 Dec 2011 11:33:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#23286 Mauro, also take a look at http://www.manufacturinginstitute.co.uk/text.asp?PageId=58 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:15:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#23292 hi Duncan, thank you for the link I noticed that the program is part-time... probably a very good choice for someone already into manufacturing. Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:53:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#23293 Yeah man this is really good, better and more rigorous than other programs you have looked at. I would forego the Manchester brand for this solid academic portfolio The only better choice is of course my favorite Edinburgh Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:02:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#23294 Donho, you meant to post that at http://www.find-mba.com/board/23070/last/#last Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:48:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#24145 To be fair, the programs you guys are talking about in this thread are "executive education" courses, rather than MBA programs. These are usually short classes that employees take to surgically improve specific skills (leadership, management, etc.) As opposed to MBA programs, companies often cover the costs so that their employees can perform better. In terms of expectations and outcomes, they differ vastly from MBAs. Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:10:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#24146 Today I had a nice conversation with ZLOG at the online Economist fair..some highlights: 1) all students placed within 3 months from graduation 2) salary ranging from 21000e to 149000e mostly depending on past experience 3) Gmat between 575 and 735 4) avg age 29... 22min 50 max 5) who hires? Large companies, consulting firms, boutiques... start-ups 6) You receive a Master degree and a certificate from MIT Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:37:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#24147 I wonder what the average salary is? Who is the masters degree awarded by? Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:47:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#24148 "ZLOG's degree is granted by the University of Zaragoza. MIT also issues a certificate upon completion of the program but it it not an MIT degree" Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:54:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#24149 "The average median salary upon graduation for last years' class was $111,000" The level of salary was often dictated by level of prior professional experience, as well as location. [20:55:18] MIT MIT: by the way, that's a 75% increase over the incoming class' salary Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:47:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#24187 Hi, next Monday I ll have a talk with the program manager of the ZLOG program (Actually I m not interested but she was so kind ...:-) If someone of you have any questions, please let me know! Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:05:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#24191 If its not too naive a question.... Why is the average salary so much higher than that of MBAs in Spain? Any hypothesis? Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:17:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#24193 i ve got the answer.... The average I was given yesterday is the MIT SCM avg!!!! http://scm.mit.edu/recruitment/placement_statistics For ZLOG, official website says http://mastersupplychain.edu.es/careers/placement Actually, those results are not much different from IE (as from their brochure) 80% of students had one or more job offers by graduation Average compensation package: €69.000 ($99,000) 50% changed country of residence from before the program Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:06:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#24222 I wouldn't say so: no certificate, after all ;-) Very true about the certificate! It's a shame to see MIT creating an academic-looking certificate for a non-examined course. If it was an academic credit-bearing course, earned through examination or dissertation, then certification seems fair to me. To be fair, the programs you guys are talking about in this thread are "executive education" courses, rather than MBA programs. These are usually short classes that employees take to surgically improve specific skills (leadership, management, etc.) As opposed to MBA programs, companies often cover the costs so that their employees can perform better. In terms of expectations and outcomes, they differ vastly from MBAs. Yes, exactly right. Most of these don't have certificates that look like faux qualifications. They look good on a CV for what they are: training in a specific area. I recently had chance to participate in an executives event in London. I used the chance to test the credibility of various schools by casual chat with senior exec people - mostly Brits. My finding are really interesting .. 1. People have no clue of what MIT means 2. Business school means to them is LBS and HBS 3. Top university means to them is Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, Imperial, UCL, Durham, St Andrews, Edinburgh. 4. Nearly none of them have a masters degree let alone MBA. 5. Very few have attended some short exec courses at LBS/CASS 5. The one's who have MBA have a great respect for LBS and Cranfield 6. Networking - "The single most skill" used in their success at every stage. My experience is the same as this. Many senior managers have risen through the ranks without an MBA. Very high fliers may not have needed an MBA, if their career was progressing rapidly. And if you've never considered doing an MBA, how would you be expected to know about business school rankings? Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:15:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#24224 Exactly Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:15:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#24225 And if you've never considered doing an MBA, how would you be expected to know about business school rankings? Exactly. You hit the right spot. Business schools are a business sector themselves, ranking only makes sense to their target customers who are students, academics, trainers, admission consultants, few consultancies who rent their "consultants" to their customers based on brands/ranks. I am sure I sparked a "huge fire" here and ready to listen people view :-) Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:59:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#24246 Yes, exactly right. Most of these don't have certificates that look like faux qualifications. They look good on a CV for what they are: training in a specific area. And also, these certificate programs are often paid for by employers. They realize that they're valuable in terms of helping their employees develop specific skills. This is much different from MBA programs, which are usually paid for by individuals rather than companies. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:29:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#24270 Any one looking for International MBA (1 year duration) Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:47:00 +0200 http://www.find-mba.com/board/23096/last#24343 Hi, next Monday I ll have a talk with the program manager of the ZLOG program (Actually I m not interested but she was so kind ...:-) If someone of you have any questions, please let me know! Requirements: GMAT: not a mininum requirement but avg is 680-690 TOEFL: >103ibt Loan: full loan with no co-signer for international students People with IT background often end up in project management positions (or consultants) Several companies go to campus Oppurtunity to benefit from network and companies linked to MIT