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Duncan

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Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:30 AM
There's a PDF of the certificate on the website!
executive.mit.edu/executivecertificates/management/?cid=tw_m…
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georgep

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Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:06 PM
Duncan,
I thought it is a great 2-5 days exec programme!
Being a techie, I liked this ..

executive.mit.edu/openenrollment/program/managing_technical_…

Is it not worth $3000? MIT brand..
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Duncan

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Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:28 PM
This is worth spending on- alumni status! web.mit.edu/professional/advanced-study/
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georgep

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Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:00 AM
Duncan,
Is this one a vanity programme as well?

www.som.cranfield.ac.uk/som/p13750/Programmes-and-Executive-…

Thanks.
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Duncan

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Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:10 PM
I wouldn't say so: no certificate, after all ;-)
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Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:18 PM
George... for only 95000$ you can have this online :-)

sdm.mit.edu/
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Duncan

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Fri Dec 09, 2011 06:14 PM
How about this Advanced Masters (certificate) from Tulane? Only $5K! www.tulaneu.com/online-certificate-programs/advanced-master-…

PS Hilarious! These are "for credit" on line courses, but even Tulane itself does not accept the credits! www.tulaneu.com/faq/#faq-4440

[Edited by Duncan on 09 Dec 2011]

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Fri Dec 09, 2011 06:26 PM
well.,.. Tulane is not as fashion as MIT ... :-)

Duncan, are there in Europe programs similar to lgo.mit.edu/ ?
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Duncan

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Fri Dec 09, 2011 06:40 PM
That's the former "Leaders for Manufacturing" programme, which was part of the Cambridge-MIT deal. Look at www.ifm.eng.cam.ac.uk/ and the Zaragoza-MIT partnership.
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Sat Dec 10, 2011 09:37 AM
thank you

By the way i don't understand how Zaragoza can offer a dual degree with IE or EBS.
It's like to sell Gucci and an unknown brand in the same shop...

[Edited by _ on 10 Dec 2011]

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georgep

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Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:00 PM
I recently had chance to participate in an executives event in London. I used the chance to test the credibility of various schools by casual chat with senior exec people - mostly Brits.

My finding are really interesting ..

1. People have no clue of what MIT means
2. Business school means to them is LBS and HBS
3. Top university means to them is Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, Imperial, UCL, Durham, St Andrews, Edinburgh.
4. Nearly none of them have a masters degree let alone MBA.
5. Very few have attended some short exec courses at LBS/CASS
5. The one's who have MBA have a great respect for LBS and Cranfield
6. Networking - "The single most skill" used in their success at every stage.

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donho199
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Wed Dec 14, 2011 01:44 AM
Well, all I can draw from your story is that misinformation or stupidity does not help at all and so we should go our own ways and not drag ourselves down to misinformation

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georgep

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Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:02 AM
I have no plan to start a "mine is bigger than yours" war. I was just surprised to hear a school that I admired from secondary school was unknown to few execs this side of Atlantic.

It is just a view from the section of exec's that I spoke to. I get the chance of getting close to the execs in the square mile, not many would get it or willing got share the "secrets of the senior guys". As you think it looks strange and misinformation but try speaking to a few and you will understand how less informed they are.

I have no intention of spreading any misinformation or promoting ideas here. The intention was to get views from different people and share experiences - well, that is the whole idea of a forum, isn't it? If I want to sell an idea/product I would use different powerful media.

[Edited by georgep on 16 Dec 2011]

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Duncan

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Mon Dec 19, 2011 09:33 AM
Mauro, also take a look at www.manufacturinginstitute.co.uk/text.asp?PageId=58
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Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:15 AM
hi Duncan, thank you for the link
I noticed that the program is part-time... probably a very good choice for someone already into manufacturing.
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donho199
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Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:53 PM
Yeah man this is really good, better and more rigorous than other programs you have looked at.

I would forego the Manchester brand for this solid academic portfolio

The only better choice is of course my favorite Edinburgh
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Duncan

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Mon Dec 19, 2011 01:02 PM
Donho, you meant to post that at www.find-mba.com/board/23070/last/#last
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mba hipster

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Mon Feb 06, 2012 05:48 PM
To be fair, the programs you guys are talking about in this thread are "executive education" courses, rather than MBA programs. These are usually short classes that employees take to surgically improve specific skills (leadership, management, etc.) As opposed to MBA programs, companies often cover the costs so that their employees can perform better.

In terms of expectations and outcomes, they differ vastly from MBAs.
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Mon Feb 06, 2012 06:10 PM
Today I had a nice conversation with ZLOG at the online Economist fair..some highlights:
1) all students placed within 3 months from graduation
2) salary ranging from 21000e to 149000e mostly depending on past experience
3) Gmat between 575 and 735
4) avg age 29... 22min 50 max
5) who hires? Large companies, consulting firms, boutiques... start-ups
6) You receive a Master degree and a certificate from MIT
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Duncan

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Mon Feb 06, 2012 06:37 PM
I wonder what the average salary is? Who is the masters degree awarded by?
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Mon Feb 06, 2012 06:47 PM
"ZLOG's degree is granted by the University of Zaragoza. MIT also issues a certificate upon completion of the program but it it not an MIT degree"
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Mon Feb 06, 2012 06:54 PM
"The average median salary upon graduation for last years' class was $111,000"
The level of salary was often dictated by level of prior professional experience, as well as location.
[20:55:18] MIT MIT: by the way, that's a 75% increase over the incoming class' salary

[Edited by _ on 06 Feb 2012]

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 05:47 PM
Hi,
next Monday I ll have a talk with the program manager of the ZLOG program (Actually I m not interested but she was so kind ...:-)
If someone of you have any questions, please let me know!
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Duncan

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 08:05 PM
If its not too naive a question.... Why is the average salary so much higher than that of MBAs in Spain? Any hypothesis?
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Wed Feb 08, 2012 08:17 PM
i ve got the answer.... The average I was given yesterday is the MIT SCM avg!!!!

scm.mit.edu/recruitment/placement_statistics

For ZLOG, official website says
mastersupplychain.edu.es/careers/placement

Actually, those results are not much different from IE (as from their brochure)

80% of students had one or more job offers by graduation
Average compensation package: €69.000 ($99,000)
50% changed country of residence from before the program
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